welcome to alt.prisons

DUE TO THE FEAR THAT THE PUBLIC WILL WAKE UP THERE ARE MANY GAURDS AND POLICE
TYPES WHO POST HERE TRYING TO PRESENT THE LIE THAT PRISONS ARE NOT A
FUNDAMENTALLY CORRUPT INDUSTRY
where human beings are crowded together like sardines, where no real
rehabilitation is done(only the lie that they have "programs" to help...
programs are a joke to all involved in them)where the only things thought about
are how to bleed prisoners and there friends and families just a little more.
Mostly the guards tell their lies and then other guards tell them how smart
they are.

IT IS THEREFORE RECOMMENDED THAT YOU USE THE BELOW KILLFILE SO THAT YOU ARE NOT
INUNDATED BY ALL THAT GARBAGE. (Sometimes the lies are amusing in their
stupidity)

Note: due to these guards getting upset they are killfiled they sometimes
change their email addresses. Also "ghostofmorphy" makes his phoney address so
long that it won fit in the aol "author" filter. Thus to filter out
"ghostofmorphy" you can put his phoney domain-thats the part after the "@" in
the "domain" filter.

KILLFILE:(in aol click "preferences", at the bottom of the alt.prisons index
you used to bring up this post, and add the names one at a time to the "author"
filter,
... and of course one in the "domain" filter... these filter come up by
clicking the little down-arrow to the right of the words "Subject is" ie the
"subject" filter)

nadacomin@aol.com
ron.sambuttakethisout@cox.net
hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com
csoupkid@aol.com
rrufiange@cfl.rr.com
ghost_of_morphy@hotmail.com
ron.sam{please-remove}@cox.net
ghost_of_morphy
spam@gmx.net
nospampagan@linkline.com
margretcole@actcom.net
TwoCorruptCops@yahoo.com
cplpunishment@charter.net

ADDITIONAL INFO WORTH REPEATING AD-NAUSEUM, OR AT LEAST UNTIL ALL PRISONS ARE
SHUT DOWN:

PRISONS: factories for psychosis


In addition to the useful study found at www.prisonexp.org
is a well known author in the field Dr. Jerome Miller.

Taken from his book, 'Last One Over The Wall' is an interesting comparison:
--------------------
"Here follow the charasterics of the psychopath as outlined in the classic
study by psychiatrist Hervey Cleckley:

1. Superficial charm and good "intelligence."
2. Absence of delusions and other signs of irrational "thinking."
3. Absence of "nervousness" or psychoneurotic manifestations.
4. Unreliability.
6. Untruthfulness and insincerity.
6. Lack of remorse or shame.
7. Inadequately motivated antisocial behavior.
8. Poor judgement and failure to learn from experience.
9. Pathologic egocentricity and incapacity for love.
10. General poverty in major affective reactions.
11. Specific loss of insight.
12. Unresponsiveness in in general interpersonal relations.
13. Fantastic and uninviting behavior, with drink and sometimes without.
14. Suicide rarely carried out.
15. Sex life impersonal, trivial, and poorly integrated.
16. Failure to follow any life plan.

Now consider this as a list of survival skills in the average american prison
or reform school. You had best be charming, free from delusions, show no sign
of nervousness, be untruthful when conditions warrant, watch out for sincerity,
mask remorse, occasionally fight, exhibit poverty of affect, be unresponsive in
interpersonal relations, avoid suicide, hide love, have an impersonal sex life,
and, given the vicissitudes of your situation, eschew anything resembling a
life plan."
Jerome Miller, from 'Last One Over The Wall'
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On Mon, 19 Apr 2004 18:32:21 GMT, T O N E <Whoquairs@fooquairs.com>
wrote:

[snip]

==>The number of innocent men in jail is highly
==>exaggerated, you never hear about the guilty ones so you probably just
==>assume they are all non-violent and innocent. Most of these people
==>would shank you for extra dessert.

Justin Thyme responds:
Unfortunately for you, this bullshit of yours
appeared on the same day as the following,
from the New York Times.

Read it and see just how utterly clueless you
are (and how bang-on right _I_ am.)


Study Suspects Thousands of False Convictions
By ADAM LIPTAK

Published: April 19, 2004

A comprehensive study of 328 criminal cases over the last 15 years in
which the convicted person was exonerated suggests that there are
thousands of innocent people in prison today.

Almost all the exonerations were in murder and rape cases, and that
implies, according to the study, that many innocent people have been
convicted of less serious crimes. But the study says they benefited
neither from the intense scrutiny that murder cases tend to receive
nor from the DNA evidence that can categorically establish the
innocence of people convicted of rape.

Prosecutors, however, have questioned some of the methodology used in
the study, which was prepared at the University of Michigan and
supervised by a law professor there, Samuel R. Gross. They say that
the number of exonerations is quite small when compared with the
number of convictions during the 15-year period. About 2 million
people are in American prisons and jails.

The study identified 199 murder exonerations, 73 of them in capital
cases. It also found 120 rape exonerations. Only nine cases involved
other crimes. In more than half of the cases, the defendants had been
in prison for more than 10 years.

The study's authors said they picked 1989 as a starting point because
that was the year of the first DNA exoneration. Of the 328
exonerations they found in the intervening years, 145 involved DNA
evidence.

In 88 percent of the rape cases in the study, DNA evidence helped free
the inmate. But biological evidence is far less likely to be available
or provide definitive proof in other kinds of cases. Only 20 percent
of the murder exonerations involved DNA evidence, and almost all of
those were rape-murders.

The study, which will be presented Friday at a conference of defense
lawyers in Austin, Tex., also found that very different factors
contributed to wrongful convictions in rape and murder cases.

Some 90 percent of false convictions in the rape cases involved
misidentification by witnesses, very often across races. In
particular, the study said black men made up a disproportionate number
of exonerated rape defendants.

The racial mix of those exonerated, in general, mirrored that of the
prison population, and the mix of those exonerated of murder mirrored
the mix of those convicted of murder. But while 29 percent of those in
prison for rape are black, 65 percent of those exonerated of the crime
are.

Interracial rapes are, moreover, uncommon. Rapes of white women by
black men, for instance, represent less than 10 percent of all rapes,
according to the Justice Department. But in half of the rape
exonerations where racial data was available, black men were falsely
convicted of raping white women.

"The most obvious explanation for this racial disparity is probably
also the most powerful," the study says. "White Americans are much
more likely to mistake one black person for another than to do the
same for members of their own race."

On the other hand, the study found that the leading causes of wrongful
convictions for murder were false confessions and perjury by co-
defendants, informants, police officers or forensic scientists.

A separate study considering 125 cases involving false confessions was
published in the North Carolina Law Review last month and found that
such confessions were most common among groups vulnerable to
suggestion and intimidation.

"There are three groups of people most likely to confess," said Steven
A. Drizin, a law professor at Northwestern, who conducted the study
with Richard A. Leo, a professor of criminology at the University of
California, Irvine. "They are the mentally retarded, the mentally ill
and juveniles."

Professor Drizin, too, said that false confessions were most common in
murder cases.

"Those are the cases where there is the greatest pressure to obtain
confessions," he said, "and confessions are often the only way to
solve those crimes."

Professor Drizin said that videotaping of police interrogations would
cut down on false confessions.

The authors of the Michigan study offered dueling rationales for the
murder exonerations, and both reasons, they said, were disturbing.

There may be more murder exonerations, they said, because the cases
attract more attention, especially when a death sentence is imposed.
Death row inmates represent a quarter of 1 percent of the prison
population but 22 percent of the exonerated.

That suggests that innocent people are often convicted in
run-of-the-mill cases. Indeed, the study says, "if we reviewed prison
sentences with the same level of care that we devote to death
sentences, there would have been over 28,500 non-death-row
exonerations in the past 15 years rather than the 255 that have in
fact occurred."

The study offered a competing theory, as well. Mistakes, it said, may
be more likely in murder cases and far more likely in capital cases.

"The truth," the study concludes, "is clearly a combination of these
two appalling possibilities."

Critics of the Michigan study questioned its methodology, saying it
overstated the number of authentically innocent people. The study
calls every nullification of a conviction by a governor, court or
prosecutor declaring a person not guilty of a crime an exoneration.

In Astoria, Ore., Joshua Marquis, the district attorney for Clatsop
County, said that many of the people exonerated under the study's
definition may nonetheless have committed the crimes in question,
though the evidence may have become too weak to prove that beyond a
reasonably doubt.

"The real number of people on death row exonerated in the sense of
being actually innocent in the modern era of the death penalty is
about 25 to 30," Mr. Marquis said. The Michigan study put the number
at 73.

He added that even the error rate suggested by the study was tolerable
given the American prison population.

"We all agree that it is better for 10 guilty men to go free than for
one innocent man to be convicted," Mr. Marquis said. "Is it better for
100,000 guilty men to walk free rather than have one innocent man
convicted? The cost-benefit policy answer is no."

At the University of Michigan, Professor Gross said that was the wrong
calculus.

"No rate of preventable errors that destroy people's lives and destroy
the lives of those close to them is acceptable," he said.

Barry Scheck, a founder of the Innocence Project, said Mr. Marquis's
analysis ignored another point.

"Every time an innocent person is convicted," Mr. Scheck said, "it
means there are more guilty people out there who are still committing
crimes."
===

As I said before, you don't know squat.



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THE RULES OF RESISTANCE
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
NEVER tell the police anything.
NEVER consent to a search.
NEVER confess.
NEVER discuss your case with others.
NEVER plea bargain.
ALWAYS demand a lawyer.
ALWAYS plead not guilty.
ALWAYS demand a full jury trial.
ALWAYS appeal, if you are convicted.
ALWAYS pass on these rules.

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