On 21 Aug 2002 22:58:31 GMT, Moderator <approved@asad.org>
wrote:

HOWEDY Moderator,

Attention-Deficit, Hyperactivity Disorder (ADHD) came into

the

mainstream in 1987,

Yeah, that's the politics of science and medecine.

when the American Psychiatric Association

I've got a few students and customer who are shrinks.

recognized 18 separate personality traits as a psychiatric

disease.

Yeah. It took them long enough. I don't go for "categorizing"
behaviors,
HOWEver. I just like to call a spade a spade.

Within one year, 500,000 US children had been diagnosed with

ADHD.

All behavior problems are caused by mishandling...

A recent study, of 30,000 grade school students in the U.S.

You think our schools are being run puperly?

in the American Journal of Public Health, found 20 percent

of boys

had taken Ritalin or a similar amphetamine-family stimulant

by grade

5.

That's on account of they don't know HOWE to outwit the cunning
of
a fifth grader... no moore than our dog lovers can outwit the
cunning
of the domestic puppy dog... even if it's a Lab.

Another study of more than 200,000 pre-schoolers,

The state of the art of parenting makes me CRINGE.

published in the Journal ofthe American Medical Association,

I always got the latest issue in the crapper.

found that the number of 2 to 4 year olds on psychiatric

drugs soared

by 50 percent between 1991 and 1995.By 2000, 11.4 million

Americans,

That's on account of the acceptance of treating behavor
problems
with drugs. That's nuthin new, except that the med guys
approved
it for kids after their moms got shut off from their Valium.
You remember
The Stone's "Mother's Little Helper?"

I guess when you're driving yourselves nuts SOMEBODY'S gotta
be on drugs or you'll have Matricide Patricide and Infanticide
and
our dog lovers would have Youth In Asia.

mostly school-aged boys, were taking Ritalin.

I prefered alcohol bu the fifth.

Neither study looked at specific the reasons for the

substantial rise,

Ineffective and inappropriate handling techniques, just like
with dogs.
Ain't no difference between the two.

but the lead author of the JAMA study, Julia Zito, an

assistant

professor of pharmacy and medicine at the University of

Maryland,

suggests that the rise might have something to do with the

large

number of children attending day-care or pre-school, and

parents* need

to make their children conform.

Yeah, that could be, but probably not for the reasons they're
thinkin.
I'm bettin they're goin nuts from rigid structure, ineffective
organization,
correction and punishment.

Same as with dogs. All parties are participants in the mental
illness,
just like with any other DEPENDENCY. Our freaks NEED the stress
they're creating in their lives, cause that's what they're used
to and
that's what they're COMFORTABLE with, or they'd have to face
the
real issues. The focus on behavior problems is merely a
subterfuge.

Anton Miller, an associate professor with the department of
paediatrics at the University of British Columbia, at

Vancouver, and

the lead author of a recent study Prescriptions of

Methylphenidate to

Children and Youth, notes in a letter to the Journal of the

Canadian

Medical Association that "Under the banner of

attention/hyperactivity

disorder, the medical community has shown an increasing

tendency to

use medications to 'normalize' children".

That's because our child behavior modification programs are no
goddamned
better than our dog behaviorISTS. After all, don't
they use dog studies first? Where do you think they get their
ideas for shocking non communicitave patients, with their
guardian's permission to rehabilitate out of control behaviors?

I'm not tryin to say they're HURTIN nobody doin that, but it's
ESTHETICALLY and MORALLY INAPPROPRIATE and UNETHICAL...
in my opinion. But that's only on account of I've seen the DOG
STUDIES
proving to me that shocking and forcing dogs makes them
hyperactive.

As I said, all behavior problems are caused by mishandling.

To normalize children,

To "NORMALIZE" a body you'd got to know what made IT Un normal
to begin with, and simply reverse the process. Wouldn't that
make sense?

even though as the National Institute of Health Consensus

Conference

on ADHD, noted in 1998, "We do not have an independent, valid

test

for ADHD,

Try sittin next to a hyperactie anything for ten minutes, and
you don't need
no sophisticated tests... you got your Lab right there.

and there is no data to indicate that ADHD is due to a brain

malfunction."

I'll take exception to that too. The dysfunctional brain is NOT
the
hyperactive one..., it's the parents, teachers, and trainers
who have
the mental imbalance that drives a PERFECT child or dog to
INSANITY.

But when your child is at odds with his world it can be

tempting

accept a "magic bullet";

Our societies generally accept self medication to a degree. In
fact,
the latest research suggests that a few drinks a week are
HEALTHY
for mind body and soul. It's even recommended in the big book,
by
Himself.

a cure all,

The cure all's for all, are within. The brain is the most
sophisticated
labratory in creation.

to normalize your child,

I ain't buyin it. I've straightened out hyper kids of all ages
in just a few
weeks. I learned HOWE from my dog studies.

to bring peace to your world.

That's gonna be my platfor for the Presidency in 20 years, if
we last that
long. Of course Peace without Prosperity freedom and health is
worthless.
We've got all the resources we need to do anything we
want, just nobody's got the balls to pull it off.

However there is mounting evidence that suggests many other
conditions might be responsible for the rise in ADHD-like

symptoms.

Yeah. Could be smething as far fetched as simply too much
sunscreen.

Eighty percent of all learning is visual,

Unless you're blind. Ever see that Yogi guy DRIVE blindfolded,
but needs to wear his glasses when he's not doin his Yogi
schtick???
That's pretty far out, but perfectly reasonable. I mean,
reasonable if
you believe that a Yogi can SEE outside of his physical visual
system.

Pretty heavy duty stuff, if they're on the level, wouldn't you
agree?
HOWE do you suppose they do that? I chatted with a professor
of A&P from a state university who was studing exactly that,
but
not in so many words...cause he ain't got no words to describe
the power of the human mind.

and it is estimated that around 20 percent of school-aged

children

suffer from undetected vision problems.

What came first, the chicken or the egg? I've know folks with
those
sort of eye conditions that were not mishandled and didn't
suffer
the typical emotional consequences of this syndrome.

"Children who fail to pay attention, or who just don't seem to

learn

as quickly as others are often diagnosed with learning

disabilities,"

notes Dr. Pasq Marcantonio,

Right. Just like as with a dog, the improperly handled child is
going to be
hypervigilant of corrections and "gettn caught." The constant
intermittent stress of being scolded even very gently, is
enough to
make a body go freakin NUTS, because of the chemical reactions
and depletion of stuff necessary for proper electrical
connections.

the past president of the Canadian Association of

Optometrists, "

But some of these kids might have vision problems that

frustrate

their ability to concentrate.*"

Or is it their inability to concentrate makes them incapable of
keepin
their eye on the ball, so to speak? Hyperactivity isn't a
curse, it's
a necessary element for a caveman living in a hostile
environment.
He's got to beware the Sabertooth Tiger and the snake and he
probably didn't even have a two martini lunch hour, so being
hyper
allowed him to function to survive as a reflexive animal, not a
civilized
scholar.

Perhaps that's the true secret of Nature Vs Nurture?

Many schools do eye chart or distance testing with younger

students,

but it only measures a child's ability to see different sized

shapes

at a distance. It does not look at the eyes ability to track

across

the page, to work together or to refocus with changing

distances.

Yeah, but the problem isn't within the eyeball circuitry, it's
in the
controller, the visual portion of the brain, that's always got
to
be directing the eyes to dart hither and yon lookin for an
assault,
just as our children and puppies got to freakin deal with.

Think about it. To a baby being told NO can be as frightening
as
the roar of the Saber Tooth to cave mom or dad... In fact, the
baby wouldn't even respond to the roar of the Saber Toothy,
cause he'd just think of him as Tony Tiger with a bad set of
buck teeth. Fear is programmed into us. Althogh the monkey
studies with gators and tigers and stuff would show there's
a genetic componet to our environmental fears. Perhaps
that's only an artifact of generations of dna being whacked
outta shape by the forces of nature and the reality of life and
death?

Convergence insufficiency or teaming disorder, when a child's

eyes

fail to work together, is one of the most common sight

problems.

Yeah, I'm familiar with several folks who've got that.

Struggling to keep each eye coordinated is tiring, and the

loss of

control makes eye movements jumpy and erratic.

That in itself is very frustrating. I'm of the opinion that all
this
can be reduced down to our autonomic responses.

Soon the page begins to jump and it becomes impossible to

aim

both eyes to a single point.

Kinda like when we take too much ritalin or alcohol?

Children end up taking vision breaks, fidgeting, looking out

the

window, distracting other children, or asking to sharpen

their pencil

or go to the bathroom, any thing to give their eyes a rest.

Because we're not giving any physical training and stretching
exercises to
warm up with. No athlete plays without warming up,
except me and Soup, but that's cause we're always HOT STUFF.

One German study found that after treatment for convergence

insufficiency

children's reading improved by an average of 44 percent;

concentration

by 77 percent.

Of course. The exact same thing will happen if the child or dog
is
put into a safe environment and develops a sense of securtiy
and trust. Then the brain can revv back down to a lower gear
where it'll be able to engage the vis.exe., if you get the
drift.

It is estimated that ten percent of children suffer from

convergence

insufficiency, and statistics show that children diagnosed

with ADHD

are three times more likely to have convergence insufficiency

than

other children.

Right, cause they're constantly trying to watch out for the
Saber
Toothed Mom / Dad / Trainer. The rigid structure of the nilif
or
school environment gets their fur up and triggers thigmotaxis
on an emotional level.

Often children's eyes are not fully grown, leaving them

slightly

farsighted. This again makes it difficult to focus on the

page, and

the eyes tire easily.

INDEED. Ordering a prescription lens is essentially the same
medical cop out as givin Ritalin. an eye exercise program would
be moore effective, beneficial, and free. Of course, you could
do both, and reserve the glasses only for prolonged reading
sessions.

Here are some signs of eye trouble to watch for:
* Loosing their place when reading
* Avoiding close work
* Holding the material closer than normal
* Rubbing of eyes
* Turning or tilting of head
* Using one eye
* Reversing words or letters when reading or writing
* Using fingers to keep their place
* Omitting or confusing small words when reading

All pretty common events.

The Food We Eat

Ahhh!@ That's the ticket right there, that and proper exercise,
and a ZERO STRESS environment, of course.

A 1994 study out of Cornell University School of Medicine

found that

as many as 73 percent of children with ADHD had significant
improvement in behaviour when certain foods were eliminated.

"We are what we eat." I don't see HOWE COME that should
surprise
anybody. Most of us wouldn't hesitate to fill the gas tank with
hi-test if
the engine called for it. HOWE COME would we put anything
into our labratory that's not conducive to smooth firing of our
brain?

A study out of Australia using EEG mapping found that when

children

who suffered from diet-induced ADHD were given the offending

foods,

they had significant increases in the betal activity in the
frontotemporal areas of the brain. The researchers concluded

that the

foods, as well as influencing a child's behaviour,

Yeah. like the "twinkie defense." I'm always eager to give kids
a nice
chocolate brownie with frosting and a big Coke when we're
entertaining
parents with children.

may also alter their brains electrical activity.

Duh-Oh! What do you think all the chemicals are for?

In the early 70*s Dr. Benjamine Feingold, a pediatric

allergist from

California, noted that 30 to 50 percent of his hyperactive

patients

benefited from diets free of artificial colours, flavours and

natural

chemicals such as salicylates, found in tomatoes, apricots

and

berries. This prompted him to introduce the "Feingold

program", a

diet which eliminated all artificial colouring, flavouring

and the

preservatives BHA, BHT and TBHQ.

As stated in your FREE copy of my FREE Wits' End Dog Training
Method manual. That you mention salicylates is particlularly
interesting to
me as we were just talking about that in relation to IRON.

Seems the body does funny things with iron. Iron feeds viruses
and stuff. When the body detects a virus it locks down the iron
so it's not accessible to the invasion, and starves it out.
Coincidentally
it makes us feel weak, so we blame the virus, but
just as with our BEHAVIOR problems, we're always blaming the
SYMPTOMS as the cause and overlooking the real problem.

Iron isn't excreted from the body except through the loss of
blood. Salicitates cause a small amouont of bleeding, which
stimulates the control of accessible iron.

A similar diet, the Few Foods diet, goes even farther,

eliminating

many foods as well. It was found to be 76 percent effective

in helping

children with ADD (Attention-Deficit Disorder).

Just like throwin a gas treatment or high octane petro in the
engine
will take out the knock.Sugar mimics vitamin C in the body, and
takes
it's place so the C isn't gettin to where it's supposed to go.
Acid is
necessary to stuff like makin electricity and oxidation. When
oxidation
happens inappropriately, we're lousing up combustion and
trainsmition of electron stuff.

Basically, we're all alchemists.

Here are some foods you might want to look at:

* Chocolate
* Cane or beet sugar
* Milk
* Corn
* Wheat and rye
* Eggs
* Citrus fruits
* Legumes, soybeans, tofu
* Yeast
* Peanuts

Sugar raises heel with everything in a very curious way. It
prevents
the body from fighting viruses, for example and impedes
healing.
Remember, when the body detects a virus it shuts down the iron
so the virus can't feed.

Learning to learn their way I believe most children labelled

with

learning disabilities have learning difficulties, not

learning
disabilities,*

notes Dr. Mary Ann Block, a licensed osteopathic physician

and author

of No More Ritalin."Learning difficulties are quite common in

the child

diagnosed with ADHD."

You can't run a engine with water in the tank.

Block notes that many of her patients are right-brained (use

the right

creative side of their brain prominently), and tactile (learn

best

with touch) or kinesthetic learners (learn best with

movement), but

schools are set up to accommodate left-brained students who

are

auditory and visual learners.

Right. But that's only part of the problem. The other part of
the
problem is they're not teaching children or dogs HOWE to LEARN.
They're being GOAL ORIENTED, and focusing on forcing the
information into them instead of developing their curiousity
and
challenging them to do their best cause it's FUN!

Only thing I learned in school was to hate school and try to
look
up the girls dresses sittin behind me, cause I was always kept
up close to the teacher so she could hear my commentaries
on what the heel she was trying to shove down our throats.

Ricki Linksman, the director of the National Reading

Diagnostic

Institute, notes that tactile and kinesthetic learners often

do well

in kindergarten, where they are allowed to move and touch,

but once

they hit grade one and are required to sit, watch and listen,

they

start falling behind.

Yeah? Not me. I be fallin outta the classroom. I drove one
teacher
into the mental HOWES and pushed a Quaker to nearly hit me. I'd
make him stay after school keepin just me on detention till he
had
to vacate the building.

Grade one is also the grade when most ADHD is first

diagnosed.

I wouldn't say I had adhd, but I do know that punishment
wouldn't
ever be effective on me cause I'd provoke you moore than you
could ever get away with hurtin me over it. I'd even threaten
them
to flunk so they'd have to keep me back and I'd be sittin in
their
front row for another year...maybe MOORE.

It is estimated that 30 percent of us are tactile learners.

Yeah. That's HOWE COME the pronged spiked pinch choke
and shock collars and deprivation crates. Isolating me in
another room was JUST what I wanted. My teachers would
send me into the coat room till that didn't work and then
they'd send me to the principle's office. I'd get invited outta
class and be made to stay after and do the work then. Didn't
bother me none, I just couldn't wait till I was old enough to
not be forced to go there noMOORE.

Here is how to tell if your child is one of them:

* Remembers what is done,

BWWWHAHAHAHAHAAA!!! I can't remember today
and I ain't even done with it yet..

not seen or talked about

That's cause the subject matter isn't heavy duty enough to
command our attention. That's HOWE COME I can't stand
HOWES painting. The job requires too little concentration
to challenge me, yet demands too much to allow my thoughts
to cruize, so I'm in a real quandry being stuck trying to do
something as EZ as paining the side of a HOWES.

HOWEver, the cure for that is for me to do the trim around the
windows and the detail work. Of couse, my hand/eye coordination
doesn't guarantee a skillful lookin joby, but at least I'm not
goin
BONKERS standin there sloppin a brush an tryin not to get it
all
over me.

* Doesn*t hear things well

Who among us does? Who really WANTS to?

* Touch and movement are important

Don't get me started on that stuff...

* Learns by imitating

See my post "Chimp Shamans."

* Likes to talk about things

Yeah. Like "when's the next dose of Ritalin?"

* May unconsciously touch people

I think that's a insecurity thing, insecurity is the cause of
most of this stuff.

* Loves games

Head games?

* Is impulsive

Impulse control is lost as a result of the system being
constantly barraged with chemicals every time the
individual is corrected punished or scolded. Perhaps
there's a heightened endorphin addiction goin on too?

At any rate, we can learn to control our behavior and
thinking, given the proper environment and nutrition.

Related sites

Thanks, but no thanks. I just say "NO!"

Vision
Vision Help www.childrensvision.com
The Canadian Association of Optometrists www.opto.ca
The Children*s Vision Information Network www.visionhelp.com

I haven't got the time to look into the vision links right now,
but there's a few out of the mainstream visual exercise
methods that could benefit most of us.

Diet
ADHD & ADD Specialist www.adhd-add-nutrition.com
Feingold Program www.feingold.org
Few foods diet www.parentsofallergicchildren.org/1994.htm

I'd recommend an elimination diet

Learning
Owensboro Community College

www.owecc.net/lad/tactilelearners.html

Learning Styles
http://de.cstcc.cc.tn.us/LearningStylesWorkshop/applicat.htm (Who's computer is this?)
Understanding Learning Styles
www.cfc-efc.ca/docs/cccf/rs045 en.htm Access Learning Styles
www.mmonroe.k12.fl.us/ls/

Right. I done all that twenty years ago, cause I got a rash of
dyslexic and learning difficulty students who weren't complyin
with my training methods at that time. So, if the mountain
won't
come to The Puppy Wizard, The Puppy Wizard just makes gravel
outta it..

Lanny Boutin is a freelance writer in Gibbons, Alberta, and a

mother

whose two little ones are often at odds with their world.

She's welcome to ask me for a FREE copy of my FREE Wits' End
Dog Training Method manual. Once she learns effective handling
and teaching skills, we got no moore "being at odds" with any
world
in our universe. Ain't no difference between a mountain and a
world, in my
book.

Now, you ready for the next step?

My Doggy Do Right (And Kitty Will And A Rooster Did And A
Cockatoo Or Two Did Too) machine CURES hyperactivity by
using the same techniques found in your FREE copy of my
FREE Wits' End Dog Training Method manual.

My method and machine prove each other. The machine don't
require ANY interaction with the subject except they be able to
hear it up to maybe 500' around, maybe a lot moore.

We don't got to suffer from behavior problems noMOORE
if we know HOWE to establish non force, non physical, non
confrontational control using scientific and psychological
behavior modification techniques.

Fortunately, The Puppy Wizard isn't mindful of our university
behaivorists who'd tell you to killfile Jerry. The Puppy Wizard
doesn't have to worry about losing his apa certification to
practice what he's been doin with dogs for forty years. The
Puppy Wizard sees our behaviorISTS as just another mountain
that's gonna have to be leveled into a goddamned gravel pit.

EZ 'nuff work for This Puppy Wizard alchemist with an army of
critter lovin BIOSOUND Scientific Elves. j;-)

Hi, Jerry.

I'm not sure that I'm a 100% convert, or that I agree
with (or even understand) 100% of what you say in this
manual ... BUT ... we had "come" down pat in a few
reps and you could have knocked me down when I tried
the exercise with "drop" and, after a few reps in
different spots Darwin practically *threw* the rubber
ball at my feet on command. He's still not perfect
(just a pup, after all, and he's stubborn enough to
want to push and test me a little bit more).

For what it's worth, I can see (as no doubt you have)
how your usenet manner is likely to rankle a few
folks, but that woman who advocates ear pulling and
beating with sticks deserves everything she gets. Even
if that was the only method that would work, I'd live
with my dog not fetching rather than do any of that.
(Darwin fetches enthusiastically and instinctively,
tho').

Best, ben

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From: Becky (BeckySiz@new.rr.com)
Subject: Re: Crate Anxiety
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior
Date: 2002-04-04 12:56:23 PST

Try Jerry Howe's training manual and check out his Doggy
Do Right (And Kitty Will And A Rooster Did And A Cockatoo
Or Two Did Too) machine....it is for this.

Please do not listen to the others in here that don't like
him or his methods, they have never tried them....I have
and it works!!!!

I broke my dog from nipping almost 100% in 1 day and
she usually does this SEVERAL times a day and actually
makes my kids bleed!

Try it or contact him! The manual is at the above website
also, and it is free!

Becky

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----- Original Message -----
From: "N <>
To: "Jerry Howe" <jhowe2@bellsouth.net>
Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 8:46 PM
Subject: Re: Shadow

Hey,

Thanks so much for this morning, your patience is

otherworldly !

That was such a hectic time, I forgot that T was off to

work this

morning and he usually calls on me to help get him out the

door, than M

woke up, and well, you got a feel for it !

Which is probably good actually, I bet there was a lot of

insight

gained. (It's usually much calmer around here)

Now back to Shadow. WOW !

Not a "new dog" yet. But really so much calmer !

I took on the big challenge of "THE BROOM" now that's a

real attention

getter for her. But IT WORKED ! She settled down near by

and let me

sweep !

She had a couple bouts of grabbing my pants with her teeth,

and a few

times she wanted to gnaw on me, but she settled down and

gave up

pretty quickly.

AND it's 5:45 here, her time to totally lose it, and she's

out back with

T and M playing calmly near M, coming in to check on me

periodically,

and only peed in my office once today.

So, do you have old smashed soda cans all over your house

(we keep one

or more in each room) or did you fashion a classier version

?

Hey, thanks again, I'll let you know HOWE it's going.

Hugs, and big sloppy wet doggy kisses,

N & Co.

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----- Original Message -----
From: BNTDOBES@aol.com
To: jhowe2@bellsouth.net
Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2002 10:26 PM
Subject: Re: THANKS ALISON! - "Owners Should Always
Be Given The Cold, Hard Facts: They Should NEVER FEEL
GUILTY For Having An Aggressive Dog Euthanized."

Dear Jerry,

It's Kay here. I don't know who these people are that maligning
you and your training manual but tell them from me that it does
work.

Hunter is just doing so well even the people who advocated
putting him down are impressed with him.

I even started using it with the neighbor's dog. I went over
there
to help her cut his nails. She started yelling at him for
growling at
me.

I told her to tell him what a good boy he is instead. Lo and
behold
he stopped growling and I could do his nails. All 4 feet.

My dog Hunter was trained with the old jerk and pull method and
my other dog was trained with treats. Hunter has gotten his
enthusiasm back for his training and I couldn't be more
pleased.

He even tried to kiss a child the other day. Major break
through.
This is the dog that a few months ago tried to eat the kids
through
the fence. I can now take him in the car with me again without
him
trying to chase cars through the windshield.

So Jerry tell these people that the first rule of dog training
is Do
No Harm.

The 2nd rule is whatever works without breaking the first rule.

Aggressive dogs don't need to be put down. Hunter was diagnosed
aggressive and he is going to stay alive and by my side where
he
belongs.

Thank you so much.

Kay

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Nevyn writes:

Jerry I cannot even begin to tell you the success Ive had with
your
training manual! My two mutts have gone from out-of-control
psychos to
obedient well behaved companions within a matter of weeks! AND
My friends
have seen the success and have asked me to work on their dogs!
I was working
with a 5 month old Ridgeback female today and she was being an
angel after
like an hour of working with her! it is AMAZING!! I pity those
fools who
take their dogs to classes where the "Trainers" abuse their
dogs! (do they
have a degree? A masters? a Phd? by the way? NO they are
average joes off
the street who think they know how to train dogs!)

Once again, Jerry, you are a genius!

NEVYN and my Dogs, Rizzo and Midget, My Grandparents
dogs, Dusty and Snoopy, and my friends pup, Jazz.

==============================

<"Terri"@cyberhighway

Hey, do like me, and killfile Jerry.
He has millions of people aleady reading his posts and
watching him extract his soggy foot out of his mouth!
Out of these MILLIONS, I've only seen 2 naive childs
come forward and actually believe in his training manual.

Robert Crim writes:

I assume that I and my wife are those two naive childs
since I freely admit to having read and, I hope,
understood enough of the manual and it's counterparts by
John Fisher and the posts of Marilyn Rammell to believe
and use it.

This naive child would like to say thank you to both
Jerry and Marilyn for putting up with a constant barrage
of really infantile crap at the hands of supposedly
adult dog lovers.

The other naive child (LSW) has to put up with the
nagging idea that if people like them had been posting
earlier, maybe we would not have had to hold the head
of a really magnificent animal in our arms while he was
given the needle and having to hug him and wait until he
gasped his last gasp.

To my mind, "naive" is believing you can terrorize a dog
into good behavior. Naive is believing that people that
hide behind fake names are more honest than people that
use their real names. Naive is thinking that dilettante
dog breeders and amateur "trainers" like Joey
(lyingdogDUMMY, j.h.) are the equal or better than
those that have studied and lived by their craft for
decades.

"Stupid" is believing that people do not see kindergarten
level insults for what they are. Really stupid is believing
that people like Jerry Howe and Marilyn Rammell are
going to just go away because you people act like fools.

Why do you act like fools? I really have no idea, and I
don't really care.

And, to date: I've not seen ONE come forward and
actually admit to buying and having success with his
little black box.

I think I'm going to get one myself for Father's day and
take it down to the Animal Shelter for their use and
testing. You would never believe the results, so you'll
never know.

Anyone by now that doesn't see a scam man coming by
Jerry's posts deserves to get what is sure to be coming
to him! LOL!

I don't see a "scam man", so I guess I and Longsuffering
Wife and Rollei will just have to get what we deserve,
eh? As Joey (Dogman) says, "poor Rollei.".......right.

Terri

Yes it was, and that is sad.

Robert, Longsuffering Wife and Rollei (do I get to
listen to the box first?)

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And I can train animals AUTOMATICALLY, from 500 feet away,
maybe up to a half mile.


A non dog owner writes:

Dear Jerry-

I just wanted to let you know how wonderful your Doggy Do
Right product is. I was skeptical at first, but have been
tremendously pleased.

As you know, we had a neighbor's dog that was extremely
bothersome, at times barking loudly for 3 hours straight.
Within a few days, the barking decreased, and now it is
just
the occasional bark. this dog lives approximately 500 feet
away, and even at that distance, the machine has done
wonders.

You were always available and patient to answer my
questions, and now I can be in my own home without going
nuts from the barking. As an added pleasure, all the other
minor barking nuisances in the neighborhood have stopped
as well.

Quiet is wonderful! Thank you.

Pam Graves

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----- Original Message -----
From: George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D.
Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 3:21 PM
Subject: [GVS]doggiedoright

I just had a nice talk with the man who invented
the "doggiedoright" device; he told me that if you
tell him that I sent you he'll knock $25 off the
$99.95 price.

If you know someone working at a shelter etc who
wants to quieten the dogs in the neighborhood then
this is an ideal present for them - and he will sell it at
a discount. He sounds like someone we all know who
has no sense at all about money. Nice, nice man.

"doggiedoright" may be obtained from
jhowe2@bellsouth.net I now have four locations
at which the thing has worked, so I recommend it.

Yap yap yap no more! I have zero financial interest in this.

George

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